http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/ XTalk: Historical Jesus & Christian Origins Thu, 16 May 2013 20:45:14 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24157 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24157 Some years ago I noted that in within Mk. 2:1-12 Mark has cast Jesus' offer to make something happen in such a way as to call to mind the similar offer on the Wed, 08 May 2013 18:39:44 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24156 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24156 With Thanks to Jim West: from theological musings- Dear Colleague I am deeply saddened to inform you that our dear friend, Professor Geza Vermes, passed away Sun, 21 Apr 2013 00:31:16 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24155 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24155 As I'm reading through commentaries on this petition I've been noticing that virtually everyone who unpacks it holds a hidden assumption -- that when Jesus Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:45:57 GMT David Mealand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24154 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24154 Jeffrey sent an extract from Wendel both to Crosstalk and to Synoptic. While I would agree that honour and shame are important factors in understanding 1st C Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:53:44 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24153 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24153 I'm reproducing here a section on the meaning of the forgiveness of sins in the LP/DP from an online dissertation by Richard Wendel entitled /The Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:08:43 GMT Thomas L. Thompson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24152 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24152 Just that forgiveness of sins is motif which has a context essentially connected to exile/return themes- The OT moves its discourse on punishing the sinner Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:04:29 GMT David Mealand http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24151 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24151 Not at all recent, but on the wider context in Judaism there are some collected passages in C.G.Montefiore, Rabbinic Anthology, Ch. 19, pp. 460-469 on Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:22:13 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24150 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24150 ... Thomas, Thanks for this. But I am unclear on what you are telling me. WHAT is a recognized understanding? Jeffrey -- ... Jeffrey B. Gibson D.Phil. Oxon. Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:10:36 GMT Thomas L. Thompson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24149 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24149 It is a well recognized understanding in OT studies. See 1 Kings 8:33-34. Thomas Thomas L. Thompson Professor emeritus, University of Copenhagen. Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:26:58 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24148 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24148 Just wondering out loud if the use of our in the LP/DP petition for the forgiveness of sins has any significance -- i.e., that it is the remission of the Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:22:35 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24147 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24147 Just to insure that I don't miss what I'm looking for, I'm asking for extra eyes for a search of Gospel texts (including Thomas) for Jesus' teaching on Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:05:35 GMT Gordon Raynal http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24146 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24146 Thanks for the reply. Here's a brief response: ... You're welcome! I hope it gets a lot of use. ... Right, I guess I pushed off to my own conclusion about Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:37:57 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24145 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24145 ... Thanks! ... Is that what I said? ... But what exactly is being asked for in these requests. ... Something I deal with in Chapter 3. But it's also rooted Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:24:10 GMT Gordon Raynal http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24144 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24144 Good Morning Jeffrey, Thanks for posting your work and this invitation. I've read the opening chapter this morning and I have 4 comments: 1. I very much like Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:48:57 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24143 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/24143 I've been working for the last few weeks on completing a book on the Lord's/Disciples' Prayer that might be published in the Moorehouse Press "Conversations