http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/ Descartes: Slow readings & discussion Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:52:14 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/723 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/723 ... you may be confusing Descartes with Heidegger who removed the 'ergo' from Descartes statement and then promised a 'deconstruction' of the 'cogito, sum' Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:48:26 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/722 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/722 ... these questions are intimately related; and, both are legitimate. the moment I notice that I am experiencing something (an afterimage, say, or whatever), I Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:36:31 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/721 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/721 ... well, then, do you acknowledge that 'I am' is, in fact, asserted by the referent of I whenever I say "I am"? ... the argument was first presented in msg Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:38:41 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/720 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/720 ... it seems that the type 2 approach to ontology is incomplete. if it has no 'I', it can not account for its own construction nor can it explain who or what Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:42:22 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/719 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/719 ... perhaps, to be more precise, I should have said that the form using the is of predication always already asserts the form using the is of isness (a.k.a. Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:44:36 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/718 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/718 ... yes. that's what Kierkegaard is saying; but, I think that represents a departure from traditional interpretations of english grammar. in the OED, you'll Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:03:51 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/717 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/717 ... it is certainly true that all claims of the form 'I am a(n) ... X' begin at this point. following Korzybski, I'll call statements of this form Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:44:31 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/716 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/716 ... Hi Stanley, I attended a University where I read Descartes many years ago; and, I've keep up my interest in Descartes since then. I've read the Discourse, Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:24:30 GMT Stanley Tweyman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/715 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/715 Dear Joe: Having read your posts (probably) from the beginning, I am writing to inquire about you: for example, your educational background, the university at Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:46:59 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/714 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/714 ... I may have written just that somewhere; but, if you wish to contest it, I'll insist on the more complete version that I usually give: I am the referent of Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:49:17 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/713 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/713 ... I have no idea what an agential 'I' is or how it might differ from a non-agential 'I'; nor do I know how a simple utterance of the agential 'I' differs Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:33:27 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/712 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/712 ... there's been no misrepresentation. the claim that you choked is my pithy interpretation of Nietzsche's observation concerning the philosopher who is unable Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:11:18 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/711 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/711 Here is another of Kierkegaard's comments on the cogito. [Q] The Cartesian *cogito ergo sum* has often been repeated. If the 'I' which is the subject of cogito Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:32:38 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/710 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/710 Georges Metanomski wrote: ... I can't imagine what would have given you the idea that I favored approach #1; except, possibly, for the fact that you've mangled Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:53:33 GMT Joseph Polanik http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/709 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/descartes/message/709 ... he is looking for knowledge that is certain rather than merely probable. ... this sounds like another attempt to cast the Experiento as a deductive