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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:02:43 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>rchrdstvr@...</dc:creator>
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      <description>In a message dated 11/8/2009 3:20:41 PM Mountain Standard Time, ... An example of this is walking to your job, as you have done countless times, and you see a</description>
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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:20:22 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>throger1016</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/determinism/message/9176</link>
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      <description>HI Richard:  You interested me with the word scripts&gt; Would you say more about that. It would appear that you do lots of unnecessary work when you are trying</description>
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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:45:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>rchrdstvr@...</dc:creator>
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      <description>In a message dated 11/5/2009 3:52:00 PM Mountain Standard Time, ... working model, demonstration, observation, and production, at least that was the way it</description>
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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:05:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>rchrdstvr@...</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/determinism/message/9174</link>
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      <description>In a message dated 11/5/2009 3:27:25 PM Mountain Standard Time, throger1016@... writes: &gt; Richard, I&#39;m talking about people who believe they are talking to</description>
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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:55:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>rchrdstvr@...</dc:creator>
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      <description>In a message dated 11/5/2009 3:22:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, ... Movies are the worst offenders, more now than in the past, because there&#39;s no ... The</description>
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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:43:41 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Winslow</dc:creator>
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      <description>... It matters if you are making claims about the nature of reality. It does if you claim the behavior you observe, is objective evidence. My point was, that</description>
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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:19:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>throger1016</dc:creator>
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      <description>HI Richard: It would appear you have a couple contradictions. ie Real illusion. how can something be real and an illusion at the same time? And in regard to</description>
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      <title>A post I&#39;m not sure you got.Dave. Assorted behaviorism</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:11:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>throger1016</dc:creator>
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      <description>... &lt;Regarding interactions between people working or not working, This is the reason I  emphasize on it being demonstrable and duplicatable. Other wise its</description>
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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:08:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>throger1016</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/determinism/message/9169</link>
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      <description>HI Dave; I once asked my daughter if lige was all a dream or run on a huge computer, would you be ok with that. She said a strong &quot;NO&quot;, But, I said, you can;t</description>
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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:06:02 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Winslow</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/determinism/message/9168</link>
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      <description>... I think you have one too many negatives in the question above. The answer to your question can drive us right into Epistemology. What we know, comes to us</description>
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      <title>Re: Behavorism-helpful or unhelpful</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:38:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Winslow</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/determinism/message/9167</link>
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      <description>... I&#39;m not at all surprised. Please note, I wrote any psychology is helpful, *IF*. I think you missed the &quot;if&quot; part. ... I know there are over 300 diagnoses</description>
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      <title>Where are they</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:11:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>throger1016</dc:creator>
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      <description>Dave: I wrote a couple pages in answer to your long post. Hunt for it. I don&#39;t know where you might find it except as a reply to your long post. It talks about</description>
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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:04:55 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>throger1016</dc:creator>
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      <description>HI Dave: Do you not consider something that can be demonstrated and measurable made up???Thats a pretty unreal world I would say. I just added a couple pages</description>
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      <title>Re: Behavorism-helpful or unhelpful</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:22:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>throger1016</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/determinism/message/9164</link>
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      <description>... xxx This I can agree with you on ... xxxx I think its doubtful that we profit much from what is called truth. Religion being the most outstanding</description>
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      <title>Re: .real versus illusion</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:51:43 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Winslow</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/determinism/message/9163</link>
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      <description>... As far as Scientific conclusions go, there is only what can be observed, which leaves out everything subjective, like love, joy, motivation, desire,</description>
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