http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/ Elvish Linguistics List Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:08:25 GMT kathy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35615 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35615 Hello, I apologize for asking for this "one-off" bit of help but I've been working on translating a phrase into Quenya, I *believe* I may have it, and I just Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:35:49 GMT iiipitaka http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35614 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35614 ... No, my list has "be" as well. However it should be noted that "be" is abstracted from "ben" in the phrase "ben genediad" -- meaning "in/according to the Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:32:57 GMT Jonathan Trites http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35613 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35613 I think you have the tengwar generator set to something that is not Quenya, like Sindarin or English. The direction of reading the vowel-on-top looks backwards Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:26:02 GMT Abrigon Gusiq http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35612 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35612 Much of like why in Cyrillic you have signs for B and V. One was B in greek, but became V, and the other when Cyril/Methodius designed Cyrillic and Old Church Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:24:13 GMT yami_akizuki http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35611 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35611 Hello!! This is the first time I post here, so: hello!! ^_^/ I try to keep with every message you post. Ok, here is my problem. My name is Isabel (spanish form Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:23:49 GMT Helge K. Fauskanger http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35610 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35610 It should be noted that the frequent combinations _ea_ and _oa_ in Quenya typically arise from older VCV structures: lawa > loa "year" cawa > coa "house" faya Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:23:22 GMT CLH harding http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35609 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35609 I was looking through my word lists for the Sindarin word for "like, as". David Salo's list only gives 'sui', but Fauskanger's gives 'sui' "like, as" and 'be' Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:01:37 GMT ghicks02 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35608 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35608 According to _Vinyar Tengwar_ 49:13, a late text by JRRT suggested that the negative particle _laa_ could be inflected for tense when the principal verb was Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:01:35 GMT Phillip Wayne http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35607 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35607 Some of the dipthongs do appear to have originated in grammar (the plural of Lindá being Lindái, for instance). Some forms in Quena do point to PE dipthongs Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:11:40 GMT elucubrator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35606 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35606 You have nicely pointed out how hiatus in Greek may be precipitated by sound changes: loss of digamma, intervocalic sigma, spiritus asper. I thought you were Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:11:12 GMT elucubrator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35605 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35605 Thanks for alerting me to ER?K-, and thanks for your other citations. Add to the items you cited _ercasse_ 'holly', the shrub with the prickly dark green Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:45:00 GMT Phillip Wayne http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35604 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35604 Actually, at least in the case of greek, many of the VV combinations were due to the loss of w, h, or s. There was a letter (digamma) for the bilabial, which Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:28:37 GMT elucubrator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35603 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35603 The CVCV root explains Feanor's statement that "our fathers... in building words took the vowels and parted them with the consonants as walls" (VT39:10) We Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:34:49 GMT rausch_roman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35602 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35602 ... In Goldogrin _aith_ 'thorn' can also be used in the meaning 'spear' (GL:18). The dagger symbol indicating the latter meaning to be poetic/archaic was Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:37:11 GMT Abrigon Gusiq http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35601 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/35601 Yes it is why we can create proto-Indo-European, looking at the older forms, and then how they changes but mostly how much in common they have and based on