http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/ Ely Carroll Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:18:21 GMT bowessurnames http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/285 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/285 "The Early History of the Town of Birr, or Parsonstown" http://www.archive.org/stream/earlyhistoryofto00cookuoft#page/n5/mode/1up Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:11:35 GMT bowessurnames http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/284 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/284 Thanks, I took a look at Wikipedia for Eile too. Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:10:41 GMT bowessurnames http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/283 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/283 Okay, got it scanned. The file was too big to upload here, so it's in the Links section under Ely Carroll Pedigree - "The Genealogy and Rulers of Eile O Sun, 24 Mar 2013 03:56:23 GMT Adrian Martyn http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/282 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/282 Hi Martha, The Ui Chearbhaill only took that surname in the 11th/12th centuries. During the 10th-12th centuries, a number of different dynasties within Eile Sun, 24 Mar 2013 02:16:21 GMT bowessurnames http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/281 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/281 Thanks Adrian, for some reason I just never got that before, and that the O Carrolls had held sway over much or all of it, or is Betham mistaken on that part? Sun, 24 Mar 2013 00:30:16 GMT Adrian Martyn http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/280 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/280 Éile was originally a larger territory. The term Ely O'Carroll (sic) was only applied to the territory ruled by the Ui Chearbhaill after they adopted the Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:03:20 GMT bowessurnames http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/279 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/279 Pg 102 of Betham's "Irish antiquarian researches, Band 1" (from which it looks like other information has been extracted in message 244 that contains the Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:17:45 GMT bowessurnames http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/278 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/278 Yikes Andrew! I just discovered I didn't follow through on this! I've just dug the document out of my piles and will get it scanned again. Martha Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:16:04 GMT bowessurnames http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/277 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/277 Ooops, sorry, didn't know the whole file didn't come with it, or that it needs rotating. Will find that and try again ... Martha Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:24:12 GMT andmur@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/276 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/276 Hi I am interested in seeing the contents of the document attached. The link takes me to a single page. Should I be able to see more? Regards Andrew Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:54:36 GMT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/275 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/275 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the elycarroll group. File : Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:53:58 GMT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/274 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/274 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the elycarroll group. File : Tue, 04 Sep 2012 23:01:22 GMT andmur@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/273 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/273 Peter Your message mentions GD matrices being attached for each group but I do not seem able to see them. Can you advise. Regards Andrew Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:59:27 GMT bowessurnames http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/272 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/272 At least I know my eyeballs are scanning fairly well. I'm sure you already had these numbers in all the good mathematical work you've done. Martha Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:48:01 GMT bowessurnames http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/271 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elycarroll/message/271 Yes, sadly those pesky sample sizes are always a factor. I don't see an NPE from looking at the data in this EC project, so much as I see its possibility when