http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/ FCHJ.com Discussion Group Mon, 28 May 2007 03:00:43 GMT swenson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2087 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2087 David: Thanks for your update on these issues. Maybe we need another reformation? We need someone to think up a more realistic view of Jesus and his message. Mon, 28 May 2007 01:35:44 GMT David B Teague http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2086 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2086 ... Because Paul (nee Saul, who claimed to be a Pharisee) thought it up (he must have, for he explicitly says no man taught to him the things he taught) and he Sun, 27 May 2007 19:44:01 GMT swenson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2085 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2085 Kgp: You state that "because he is God, it will come to pass". This may well be true. But, this world view seems like determinism to me. What you seem to be Sun, 27 May 2007 18:51:06 GMT kgp_937 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2084 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2084 Note Nebuchadnezzar's dream We all know the dream of king Nebuchadnezzar Daniel interpreted. About the statue with the golden head, silver breast and arms, Sun, 27 May 2007 17:27:02 GMT swenson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2083 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2083 Kgp: I fully agree with your interpretation. God has his Kingdom (in heaven) and Man has his kingdom (on earth). There are two kingdoms. But, we all need to Sun, 27 May 2007 17:22:27 GMT swenson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2082 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2082 Kgp: Yes, it is also so plain to me that Jesus did not claim to be God. So why do so many Christians make this claim? Both my sisters claim that Jesus is God. Sun, 27 May 2007 17:09:57 GMT kgp_937 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2081 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2081 Ok, we know that the historical Jesus was a Jew who lived 2000 years ago and preached about the Kingdom of God. But what exactly is this kingdom of God He Sun, 27 May 2007 12:08:23 GMT kgp_937 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2080 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2080 I find it unbelievable that of the billions of followers of Jesus, virtually no one really understood his teachings. What is even more unbelievable is, that Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:30:59 GMT swenson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2079 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2079 Don wrote: Personally, I view the Jesus of Evangelical Christianity as mythical. The historical Jesus (Yeshua) was more than likely a real human being who Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:38:51 GMT Chuck Evans http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2078 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2078 Well, actually, I was just avoiding going down that road in the current discussion. I'm still of the mind that who we think of as "Jesus" was, at minimum, two Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:18:09 GMT Tim Smith http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2077 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2077 ... CHUCK: Surprise, surprise... The last time I remember you saying much about your investigative journey into this area, you were 'almost persuaded' Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:05:13 GMT Chuck Evans http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2076 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2076 I don't know what he would do, I guess. What would Gandi have done? Surely he faced such violent situations. Was he a complete pacifist, or did he too have Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:56:24 GMT Andrijeski, Peter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2075 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2075 Correct, but that's a much easier question than the one that I've been discussing. I.e. what would Jesus do when *violent* interaction is the only way to Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:40:17 GMT swenson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2074 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2074 I agree that there is a negative/evil side to the human mentality. Jesus also recognized this inner reality of human beings. Personally, I think he even Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:06:18 GMT Andrijeski, Peter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2073 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fchj/message/2073 Yes, South Africa being an outstanding example. I think we're in agreement. My point was that simply that in the current state of affairs, non-violence isn't