http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/ understand and update G.W.F. Hegel Fri, 24 May 2013 22:36:00 GMT ponikvaraj http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15780 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15780 Okay. You raise a number of issues that require a response. But let me begin just by saying that I do not expect anyone on this site to be convinced by my Fri, 24 May 2013 18:26:03 GMT Mary http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15779 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15779 Well . . . if negation, sublation, and shifting are the movement itself . . . then yes. This is uncommon truth. When I shift perspective I'm not simply moving Fri, 24 May 2013 17:13:07 GMT bill.hord http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15778 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15778 The difference between what you are describing (is it really that uncommon? doesn't everything lead to some kind of perspective shift? I'd think we're not Fri, 24 May 2013 17:02:59 GMT Mary http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15777 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15777 But Hegel's insights involve shifting perspective through negation and sublation. I can relate to having to shift my perspective from my own thoughts to others Fri, 24 May 2013 15:55:54 GMT Mary http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15776 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15776 I think the difficulty with some of these sections is that it's not until Chapter 3 The Essential Relation, The Whole To Its Parts that Hegel ties ground back Fri, 24 May 2013 15:19:45 GMT bill.hord http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15775 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15775 Hi Alan, Just to be clear, I'm not convinced by your position either, though I think I understand it well enough. This note is about the question of Fri, 24 May 2013 13:42:13 GMT john http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15774 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15774 ... As incomprehensible as this little section seems, its meaning is, I believe, fairly simple. Essence has a form. Its form is the ground relation. The ground Fri, 24 May 2013 13:26:16 GMT jesse http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15773 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15773 I am emerging from the depths of deep darkness that is the chapter on Ground to let everyone know that the last section of it is, in general, much more Fri, 24 May 2013 13:23:00 GMT john http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15772 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15772 ... Hello Stephen, The end of the Measure section in the SL having to do with the transition to essence is quite interesting (while most of the rest of the Fri, 24 May 2013 12:25:48 GMT Stephen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15771 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15771 But I have said I deny your position, which I indeed understand more and more, and have brought forth reasons from time to time, as in this last message of Fri, 24 May 2013 12:17:27 GMT Stephen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15770 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15770 John, I get the feeling you know more about the sacred mushroom in potential Biblical or other context, than I do. Tell me about it if you will, with maybe Fri, 24 May 2013 12:04:24 GMT ponikvaraj http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15769 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15769 Let me just remind you of how I mean to continue on this site. You can say whatever you want about what I write. But I have no intention of engaging in any Fri, 24 May 2013 11:21:22 GMT Stephen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15768 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15768 Hegel's thought does move from premises to conclusions, just as yours or mine does. Otherwise it would be worthless. Speculative logic (reason) is not in Fri, 24 May 2013 03:35:57 GMT R Srivatsan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15767 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15767 I almost forgot about the French Revolution and the Terror -- that was a context I initially placed Hegel's writing in when I began the EPS two years ago. Of Fri, 24 May 2013 01:06:26 GMT R Srivatsan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15766 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hegel/message/15766 I am beginning to understand what you are saying. And unfortunately no -- I am not an exponent of Hindu philosophy so as I have said often when I do speak of