http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/ The purpose of the homer list is to provide a forum for slow readings and thoughtful discussions of the works of Homer. Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:26:25 GMT HackBar9@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/607 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/607 Lance, I appreciate your suspicion of oaths. Last night I just happened to read Livy 22.58 where one of the Roman prisoners, who is being allowed to visit Rome Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:01:26 GMT elefsus http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/606 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/606 I have never heard what the standard form of sacrifice was to validate an oath. I have read that to honor the gods a sacrifice was partly burned and the rest Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:27:48 GMT Lancelot Fletcher http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/605 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/605 David, I meant that previously, in speaking to the other people, Agamemnon has not made this asseveration but has only stated that he would swear such an oath. Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:26:24 GMT HackBar9@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/604 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/604 Lance, It seems to me that Agamemmon does state that he never touched the girl and he uses the language of a solemn oath to do it. I would translate 19. 258 as Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:40:15 GMT jacostopoulo@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/603 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/603 Richad, I hope your reading is continuing apace. Let me just make a few brief comments to your initial comments. ... This is certianly the proximate cause of Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:46:26 GMT Lancelot Fletcher http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/602 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/602 Thanks. That's very interesting, and might be correct -- but what about Zeus? Wouldn't he be displeased if an oath is sworn to him and yet he gets no part of Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:42:49 GMT HackBar9@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/601 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/601 The reaction of the Greeks and Trojans Il. 3.298-301 suggests a second purpose for sacrifices that accompany oaths- they are not just to gain divine favor, but Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:01:10 GMT Lampros F. Kallenos http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/600 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/600 A look at Walter Leaf's Iliad 19.267 confirmed what I seemed to recall: The victim of the sacrifice is thrown to the sea because Agamemnon's oath is also to Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:18:45 GMT Lancelot Fletcher http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/599 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/599 You're right. I am the one who was confused. Lance ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:10:26 GMT henry@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/598 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/598 Hi Lancelot, I am confused. I believe that the priest of Apollo was Chryses, the father of Chryseis and, also, the brother of Briseus. It was Chryses who Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:01:10 GMT Lancelot Fletcher http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/597 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/597 ... I doubt it. It's very clear in book 1 that the father of Briseis is a priest of Apollo. ... But the prayer and oath that Agamemnon has just made is offered Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:33:59 GMT Henry R. Moreno http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/596 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/596 Hi Lance, As a wild guess, could Briseus, the father of Briseis, have been involved with the worship of Poseidon. Poseidon was anti-Trojan. To me, this Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:15:53 GMT Lancelot Fletcher http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/595 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/595 I mentioned in my previous message that I just finished teaching the Iliad a week ago, and the reason I visited the website for this list today, for the first Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:54:34 GMT Lancelot Fletcher http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/594 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/594 Richard, Thanks for your message. I owe you an apology for the delay in posting your message. As can be seen from the date stamp below, your message was Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:20:14 GMT richard.scottrobinson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/593 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homer/message/593 Hi, My name is Richard Scott-Robinson, 52, and I live in the UK. I have read Lance Fletcher's essay on Slow Reading and find this approach to philosophy very