http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/ Johannine Literature: Academic List Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:17:25 GMT John Lupia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5993 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5993  P. Gerard Vulgata legit non elegit sed Filius Dei. Hoc est canonica versio - oder- Die Vulgata nicht lesen elegit aber Sohn Gottes.  "et ego vidi Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:16:38 GMT Brendan Gerard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5992 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5992 Thank you, Ramsey. On the basis of 21:24 I consider the evangelist to be the beloved disciple, and (on the basis of 1:35) a former adherent of the John the Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:20:59 GMT Ramsey http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5991 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5991 Brendan, You might check my NICNT commentary, where I suggested (p. 116) that eklektos may have been the reading in the tradition as it came down to the author Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:14:41 GMT Brendan Gerard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5990 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5990 All critical editions of the NT (as far as I know) read hyios in John 1:34. Many exegetes prefer eklektos, which is the reading of Sinaiticus uncorrected and Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:24:33 GMT Tom Butler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5989 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5989 My friends on the Johannine Literature List, I have just completed ten lectures on the trilogy of stories in chapters 11, 12 and 13 (The Raising of Lazarus, Thu, 08 Dec 2011 22:57:26 GMT Elizabeth Danna http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5988 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5988 I agree with Jack. The Johannine account, in which the Jewish authorities investigate briefly to see whiether they have enough of a case to take to Pilate, Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:22:26 GMT Keith Yoder http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5987 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5987 I'm wondering if this part of the Farewell Address might not have some look and feel of a Passover Haggadah. I note the following very preliminary points of Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:52:32 GMT kealy@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5986 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5986 Thank you Bob, Sean Kealy C.S.Sp. Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:12:20 GMT Jack Kilmon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5985 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5985 ... From: Keith Yoder Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:58 PM To: johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [John_Lit] Who crucified Jesus in Jn Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:09:37 GMT Keith Yoder http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5984 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5984 Jack - You said: Can you produce any evidence of Jewish authorities (Temple elite) crucifying other Jews in the Roman Period? Crucifixion was a Roman Fri, 02 Dec 2011 15:32:26 GMT Jack Kilmon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5983 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5983 Can you produce any evidence of Jewish authorities (Temple elite) crucifying other Jews in the Roman Period? Crucifixion was a Roman punishment reserved for Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:09:46 GMT Keith Yoder http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5982 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5982 Back in 2008 I posted message #5582 suggesting that John leads his readers to conclude that the Jews, rather than the Roman soldiers, crucified Jesus - see Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:58:42 GMT Jgibson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5981 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5981 ... Please note that you are reading things into the text _that are not there_ to get your desired parallel. Nowhere in the Cana story does Mary ask to see Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:13:18 GMT Jack Kilmon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5980 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5980 That's interesting but I have a problem with mixing what may be a legend and what seems to be historical. The description of the crucifixion in the gospels is Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:14:52 GMT steve levine http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5979 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johannine_literature/message/5979 I see the connection between Cana and Cross - Mary asked to see water turned to wine and she later saw blood turned to water (it is not yet my time).