http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/ Johnny Reb (Civil War Miniature Rules) Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:29:01 GMT corzin@... http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10867 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10867 just looked up the rules in the rulebook in my rule book is the unit will counter charge if it can. not quite the same as "must" it doesn't specifically say a Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:40:06 GMT jrbatso http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10866 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10866 Scott and Dean, If you use Doug Kline's cavalry modifications. The results are much less bloody with much charging, swirling about, and reforming of cavalry. Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:19:57 GMT Scot http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10865 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10865 Dean, That's sort of my point. You could hold your cavalry back patiently waiting for an opportunity to exploit, but it is relatively easy for an opponent Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:06:05 GMT Dean West http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10864 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10864 Hi Scot, Good. Cavalry is hard to use and should not be massacred as you describe. Their moment eventually comes, but it takes a patient player not to waste Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:06:43 GMT corzin@... http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10863 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10863 The first thing we would do is say Cav doesn't have to counter charge if the original charge doesn't reach. Next tou could allow a unit to make a bmp roll not Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:52:45 GMT DKline1863@... http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10862 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10862 Scot: I created some updated cavalry rules a couple of years ago in conjunction with John Hill. The rule addendums handle mounted cavarly fights very Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:47:23 GMT Scot http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10861 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10861 Amongst our game group, we've gotten to the point where we just don't play Johnny Reb games with Cavalry on both sides. In our games when both sides have Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:43:47 GMT jmkort http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10860 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10860 Dean, With all due respect, I've never heard someone so consistently insist that a particular game is "grand tactical", and then turn around and publish some Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:49:18 GMT jmkort http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10859 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10859 Another idea is to let the ammo wagons go to the troops if desired and also let them take hits like say limbered artillery without the +3 mod. Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:14:13 GMT Mark http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10858 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10858 It's funny how many house rules or interpretations are driven by the kinds of gamers you have around the table! In my old club we had one gamer whose answer to Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:12:19 GMT Mark http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10857 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10857 I also think gamers can be pretty literal...running completely out of ammo was relatively rare. We remember Scales and Little Round Top in part because it was Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:00:24 GMT Dean West http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10856 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10856 It was fairly common to hold the line after running out of ammo, and recent research suggests that many times, ammo was brought up to the line to replenish Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:03:50 GMT jmkort http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10855 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10855 One of the things I was toying with was having the inf/cav unit roll 2d6 to beat BMP, modified for stand loss. The more shot up and/or the more time the unit Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:52:45 GMT Scot http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10854 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10854 In friendly defense of my table mates. One of the common behaviors by almost every player in the group is that on the rare occasion where you get a out of Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:50:34 GMT david http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10853 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/jriii/message/10853 I agree that it should be treated more as a 'may retire' rather than 'must retire'. In a real battle, the approaching enemy may not know that you are in short