http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/ This list is for slow readings of Kant's Critique of Judgment. Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:32:24 GMT Albert DeLucien http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/70 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/70 An invitation is open to the members of this group for a study and sustained discussion on Kant's "Critique of Judgment". I welcome all the talent and insight Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:48:56 GMT Omar Lughod http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/69 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/69 Kant does several things with his aesthetic that only appear paradoxical. 1) he establishes its independence of the other (theoretical and moral) domains, and Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:09:40 GMT Saicho@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/68 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/68 Do you not think that such a presumption, the presumption of a communal sense ("sensus communis" in Kant's terms) is not the precondition for communication Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:39:40 GMT Omar Lughod http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/67 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/67 Do you not think that such a presumption, the presumption of a communal sense ("sensus communis" in Kant's terms) is not the precondition for communication Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:21:37 GMT olughod2003 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/66 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/66 Are you not allowing for faculties in common. When one person makes an aesthetic judgment, X is beautiful, do you not understand what they are getting at. What Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:58:48 GMT Saicho@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/65 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/65 In a message dated 1/20/2006 9:45:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, olughod2003@... writes: And because you share the same faculties as I do, as a human Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:26:52 GMT olughod2003 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/64 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/64 to complete the argument. the universality of my claim to the beautiful lies in my expectation that any human ought to respond, vis a vis their own faculties, Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:44:32 GMT Omar Lughod http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/63 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/63 Kant's analysis is formal, and provides the conditions for understanding that linguist as having generated an aesthetic judgment at all. What Kant wants to Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:15:12 GMT Saicho@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/62 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/62 On Beauty….. Imagine going to a country, accompanied by a highly experienced linguist, and discovering that in that indigenous language there is no word Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:02:24 GMT Omar Lughod http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/61 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/61 First, you do point to something faulty in my reasoning; if i was mistaken in my aesthetic judging then it suggests that aesthetic judging, on its own terms, Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:03:31 GMT Omar Lughod http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/60 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/60 The "experience" of beauty remains merely subjective, a function of what one's mind does to certain material. By revealing an object of knowledge one removes Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:10:42 GMT Richard Wilkerson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/59 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/59 So this means there really is no *experience* of beauty if the beautiful object always suffers from the condition of the possibility of being falsified. There Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:10:30 GMT Omar Lughod http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/58 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/58 The difference remains qualitatively different (between the aesthetic and the preconceptual feel toward a concept). Thus just as one can say, I thought i knew Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:08:08 GMT Omar Lughod http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/57 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/57 See my responses to the particulars below: ... is a universal, although merely subjective judgment. This was the twist I didn't really understand in K3. What Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:40:24 GMT Omar Lughod http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/56 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kant-critique3/message/56 Note that we employ the traditional judgmental form in our claims to beauty: X is beautiful. To be sure such claims are attended by contrary presuppositions: