http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/ leo-strauss Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:08:25 GMT John Presnall http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41799 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41799 I don't deny that Nietzsche spoke in terms of a mechanistic science which also includes the terms of force. After all his term was will to power. The early Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:58:40 GMT Kalev Pehme http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41798 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41798 I am afraid that I didn't make myself clear. When I spoke of a mechanistic science, I also meant to include force. All I meant to say is that the character of Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:52:57 GMT Dan Foley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41797 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41797 Dear Mr. Pehme, Nietzsche certainly did not arrive at eternal recurrence through scientific verification. Whatever verification it may be susceptible of, for Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:42:01 GMT Kalev Pehme http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41796 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41796 Mr. Foley, I don't think it is a matter of science, but that Nietzsche believed that there was a scientific verification of the eternal recurrence of the same. Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:59:28 GMT Dan Foley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41795 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41795 Dear Mr. Watkins, Yes, it is questionable. The first thing Nietzsche publishes of this is a question: "What if..." One of the things Heidegger insists on Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:48:16 GMT Dan Foley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41794 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41794 You think, Mr. Pehme, that eternal recurrence is a matter of science for Nietzsche? This objection is one that Heidegger dismisses. Here is his statement of Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:28:02 GMT dan watkins http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41793 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41793 Dear Mr. Foley, ... But these premises are questionable. They appear to be unprovable. ... Again, on what grounds is this presupposed? It appears to be a Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:24:27 GMT hughgillis_ca http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41792 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41792 Dear Mr. Foley that seems like a plausible reading. H.G. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:16:41 GMT Dan Foley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41791 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41791 Dear Mr. Gillis, There is an ambiguity or a dual treatment of eternal recurrence. But I think the shading is slightly different. As a scientific hypothesis Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:16:16 GMT hughgillis_ca http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41790 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41790 There seems to be an inherent ambiguity in the concept of eternal recurrence in Nietzsche. Sometimes he writes about it as if it were true or a fact. Other Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:04:02 GMT dan watkins http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41789 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41789 Dear Mr. Foley, The doctrine of eternal recurrence requires for its truth at least that there be (1) a finite number of possible arrangements of matter, and Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:20:40 GMT dan watkins http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41788 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41788 Dear Mr. Pehme, As you know. evolutionists typically solve this problem by means of petitio principii - we know it must have happened, because here we are! Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:04:31 GMT dan watkins http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41787 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41787 A helpful post as usual, Prof. Bates. best regards, Dan Watkins ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:12:25 GMT Kalev Pehme http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41786 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41786 It appears to me that the difference between Plato and Aristotle over wisdom writ large and prudence in the sense of everyday or practical wisdom, to act Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:46:09 GMT Hilail Gildin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41785 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/leo-strauss/message/41785 Dear Mr. Bates, The question you raise concerning the difference between Plato's and Aristotle's understanding of the relation between theoretical and