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Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

PETER ROBINSON — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:43:09 GMT

Dear James, I hate to say this, but the present translation of the Roman Missal has not worn well. The main area in which it fails is not so much language,

Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

Douglas Cowling — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:41:45 GMT

Oh golly, I may have hesrd it in a lecture. I;ll try to find a reference.

Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

cfortunato58@... — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:35:39 GMT

Honestly, I speak to a lot of young Catholics, and by and large, they seem very turned off by the banality, and are absolutely starving for something

Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

cfortunato58@... — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:31:37 GMT

Rather than to translate it with the equally odd- V: The Lord be with you. R: And also with you Madeleine L'Engle used to say that whenever she heard this, she

Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

Walt Knowles — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:18:29 GMT

Doug, It would be great to have reference to those studies if published. It of course raises the issue which many liturgists try to avoid: what does

Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

James O'Regan — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:44:03 GMT

Do you happen to have any bibliography on one or two of those studies? I'd be interested to use them. All the best, James O'Regan oregan@...

Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

Douglas Cowling — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:12:18 GMT

... Studies have shown that even among those who know the plays the comprehension level during an actual performance is about 60%: the same as a modern Russian

Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

James O'Regan — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:09:17 GMT

How does one judge banality of a text that is meant to be spoken - not to mention the banality of text meant to be viewed as text in silence which is

Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

PETER ROBINSON — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:46:00 GMT

I am glad I don't have a dog in this hunt. What Bishop Trautman is missing is; firstly, that the existing translation is banal; and secondly, the Latin text

Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

Walt Knowles — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:25:28 GMT

Bummer. And here I thought you might have something that would let me say definitively "psalmi idiotici => greek" "ambrosiani => latin" Walt Knowles Berkeley,

Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

Douglas Cowling — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:39:35 GMT

... I was just thinking of the Eastern origin of such "psalmi idiotici" as the Gloria and lumped them together. Thanks for the correction. Doug Cowling

Re: THE ECUMENICAL ORDER OF SAINT NINIAN

skreed1@... — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:54:20 GMT

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Re: THE ECUMENICAL ORDER OF SAINT NINIAN

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THE ECUMENICAL ORDER OF SAINT NINIAN

Mar Cyriac — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:45:52 GMT

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Re: NCR: Last-ditch effort to dump Mass translations

Walt Knowles — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:41:40 GMT

Doug, While I'll agree about the difficulty of translation of all three, and the Greek origin of the Creed and Gloria, why do you think that the Te Deum has a