http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/ Napulitano Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:19:18 GMT Nazzareno Guglielmo Cipolla http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6058 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6058 Yeah but most Gujarati, Punjabi, well pretty much all northerners and many of the southerners know it, and that's why Bollywood's Hindi films are enjoyed all Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:05:57 GMT john raguso http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6057 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6057 I remember when Hindi was put forth as the official language in India. There was a tremendously violent uprising. It seemed that speakers of the other Indian Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:15:25 GMT wllkr7@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6056 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6056 That's probably true, however from what I have read, the Kingdom of Two Sicilies was at one time one of the most wealthy kingdoms of Europe. I guess this still Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:10:14 GMT tkedes@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6055 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6055 I believe Hindi is the lingua franca of India, English the second lingua franca. News and parliamentary discussions are all in Hindi, I believe. -- הודעה Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:08:39 GMT tkedes@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6054 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6054 Hi Carmine. 'Carmel', to be precise, means 'God's Vineyard' in Hebrew. Karm = vineyard, El = God. Karmeinu with that suffix 'einu' in hebrew would mean 'our', Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:53:04 GMT Lucia Clark http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6053 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6053 Right you are. The economic and political power put Tuscan (and I emphasize ?sanitized?) as standard Italian. All multilingual nations need a lingua franca Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:55:42 GMT john raguso http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6052 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6052 I, too, feel uncomfortable  about considering the standard Italian derived from the Toscan as the real,"true" Italian. But doing so may be the lesser of two Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:37:52 GMT Lucia Clark http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6051 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6051 Touche` ... From: napulitano@yahoogroups.com [mailto:napulitano@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carmine COLACINO Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:17 PM To: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:23:57 GMT wllkr7@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6050 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6050 Oh, haha yeah I was wondering. Thanks a lot by the way, I really appreciate the info. I still do not know why Tuscan was chosen as the national language but I Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:18:28 GMT Carmine COLACINO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6049 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6049 well, but what you write has nothing to do with the origin of the name Carmine... You consider it comes from latin, but it actually comes from Our lady of Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:52:15 GMT Lucia Clark http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6048 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6048 Beg to differ about your name: Carmen, gen.Carminis, pl carmina, a ode or chant or poem put to music. So there :) ... From: napulitano@yahoogroups.com Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:25:38 GMT Carmine COLACINO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6047 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6047 Thanks Lucia, it is interesting to note, indeed the continuity between pre-Roman languages and present-day varieties. Probably a direct link it is unprovable, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:09:16 GMT Lucia Clark http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6046 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6046 Carmine, I also need to underline, because it is a pet peeve of mine, that Italian languages have had Latin as a homogenizing factor, but the greatest majority Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:57:54 GMT Lucia Clark http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6045 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6045 Let me underline that the languages north of the PO river are not italic but Rhaetic. As for the Capua lauda, the proximity itself makes us think of Naples, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:15:51 GMT Kazuma Yamashita http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6044 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napulitano/message/6044 Further reading: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_napoletana#Placiti_cassinesi http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placiti_cassinesi Andreas