http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/ Naturalism Philosophy Forum Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:27:09 GMT Alice http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5346 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5346 Good one Ken ! Surely it reflects more integrity to be honest about ones levels of happiness ? And like you say, it's normal to experience a broad spectrum and Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:22:29 GMT Alice http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5345 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5345 Thanks David for this strong and to the point mail. What a breath of fresh air being on this group is again... it's amazing how far one can drift when Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:04:28 GMT Ken http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5344 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5344 Alice: Absolutely, it's a good thing to accentuate the positive, to try to put our best side forward. Trying to do better, to feel better, to treat ourselves Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:46:29 GMT Alice http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5343 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5343 Thanks James, that was really thoughtful and insightful. I will spend some time in thought about that. Alice :-) _____ From: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:39:11 GMT Alice http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5342 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5342 Hi Ken, That makes sense. What ever we share will have casual effect rippling out throughout society, so it's probably best we aim to let out our good side Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:16:03 GMT David Nye http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5341 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5341 Consciousness when used in this sense refers to religious ideas with Hindu roots which lack naturalistic justification. The states of consciousness for which Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:21:48 GMT stephnlawrnce@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5340 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5340 Any other philosophical tune-smiths out there? Hi Tom, I do a bit of song writing, you can hear a couple of my songs here Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:31:17 GMT JRS . http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5339 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5339 Hi Alice, Good to have you back, I've also been out of touch for a bit due to time pressures. Sounds like you've had a pretty rough run. Sounds pretty Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:41:45 GMT Ken http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5338 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5338 Welcome back, Alice! Sorry to hear about your financial difficulties, especially with small children that must have been tough. Don't be hard on yourself for Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:41:51 GMT Alice http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5337 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5337 Aah it's so good to be back. I've had this yahoo group turned off since I moved house in July and forgot to turn it back on again when we got a new email Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:49:27 GMT Ken http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5336 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5336 And by "certainly," which I unfortunately used in both recent posts, I mean "in my humble opinion." Ken Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:08:43 GMT Ken http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5335 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5335 Naturalism certainly does not make morality somehow random and entirely arbitrary. If someone tells me homosexuality is wrong, they have to have a reason. If Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:51:42 GMT Ken http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5334 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5334 JRS: You are certainly correct if you mean that the Golden Rule/Monolaw is not enough to straighten out the world's problems. It is a necessary but Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:43:58 GMT David Nye http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5333 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5333 Then for that person, homosexuality is immoral. Naturalism implies that there are no external standards of morality, nothing handed down by gods or written in Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:24:57 GMT JRS . http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5332 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/5332 I can see a problem with that. One may feel that they personally should not have the freedom to be gay and use that to deny the rights of others to be gay.