http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/ Naturalism Philosophy Forum Sun, 03 Mar 2013 23:10:13 GMT Alice Jedi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6255 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6255 I haven't read the article - but values and desires are very different IMO. Values relates to moral or ethical ideas and ranking. Whereas desire relates to a Sun, 03 Mar 2013 22:14:09 GMT liamherd65 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6254 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6254 In Tom Clark's article "Relativism & the Limits of Rationality" the terms "value" and "desire" are both used. I'm trying to understand if they are not Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:04:17 GMT Miguel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6253 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6253 "Terran Humanity at the Brink" -- First Interview with F.E.D. Co-Founder Karl H. Seldon Natural Philosophy Forum Participants, If you are interested in the Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:03:10 GMT Miguel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6252 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6252 Just Published: New Novella on F.E.D. Dialectics Natural Philosophy Forum Participants, The F.E.D. Press has just announced publication of its second book, a Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:15:15 GMT Miguel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6251 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6251 Full Title: '''Person-ification''' and 'Im-Person-ation' -- A Marxian Approach to the Meaning of Dialectical-Mathematical Formulae. Naturalism Philosophy Forum Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:59:38 GMT Miguel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6250 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6250 Full Title: The Goedelian Dialectic, Knowledge Representation Condensation, and The Dialectical Operations Stage of Human Adult Cognitive Development. Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:47:52 GMT graeme http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6249 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6249 Movement before known intention, or only looks that way? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528772.300-can-we-live-without-free-will.html Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:08:14 GMT twclark2002 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6248 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6248 If you're not already a member, suggest you sign up since that's where discussion seems to be happening these days: http://www.facebook.com/groups/2218407727/ Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:24:34 GMT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6244 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6244 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the naturalismphilosophyforum group: Does matter really occupies space or emptiness? 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Alex Rosenberg makes this argument, from what I take, in his book Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:00:15 GMT stephnlawrnce@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6239 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6239 Rich, People are quick to assign freedom where nothing of the kind exists. When you unpack most things there is no freedom there, just varying degrees of Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:21:15 GMT xephani76 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6238 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6238 Good point Rich, If Bear Grill can drink his own purified urine, why can't the west send urine purifiers over there ?... Back to the point though - well yes - Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:53:29 GMT freethinker58 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6237 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalismphilosophyforum/message/6237 Alice, I think you have teased out an important issue which is our feelings versus the actual state of affairs independent of us. Take the example that you