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      <title>Re: Aviation White Paper</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:28:51 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Pilkington</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1949</link>
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      <description>Well, if the White Paper is correct the new rules for licensing and operations will appear by the end of 2010. Here&#39;s a discussion of some of the proposed</description>
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      <title>Aviation White Paper</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:06:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Pilkington</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1948</link>
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      <description>A bit of light reading over Xmas from the Aviation White Paper: &quot;To maintain and improve the safety of Australia&#39;s aviation industry the Government will:</description>
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      <title>Fw: One Design Project For Sale</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:53:12 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>David Pilkington (Ozaeros)</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1947</link>
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      <description>... From: &quot;Kathy Mexted&quot; &lt;kame@...&gt; Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: One Design Project For Sale Hello all, We have made a</description>
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      <title>Perth</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:29:41 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>djs_cameron</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1946</link>
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      <description>Some years ago I took a friend from Perth up in UPU. He enjoyed it. He now emails from Perth that he would like to take up flying with the eventual aim of</description>
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      <title>Re: Ken McKechnie Trophy Presentation Dinner</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:20:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Pilkington</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1945</link>
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      <description>For info, the 2009 Trophy will be presented at the Australian Aerobatic Club - Victorian Chapter&#39;s Christmas Party and Presentation Evening on December 9th.</description>
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      <title>Does anyone know an instructor ....</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:16:57 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Pilkington</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1944</link>
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      <description>with spin training approval in a CT-4? Some-one I know wants to get a spin endorsement in one that he operates. (He also wants to do aerobatics however that</description>
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      <title>Re: Sport Aerobatics Magazine - safety articles</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:58:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Programmed Property Services</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1943</link>
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      <description>Charles remember in steep turns its the rudder angle that governs the direction of stall spin not the angle of bank i.e. in a left turn dependant on rudder</description>
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      <title>Re: Sport Aerobatics Magazine - safety articles</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:51:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>David Pilkington (Ozaeros)</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1942</link>
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      <description>A bit of light reading for you all - Noel Kruse&#39;s Book #1, Aerodynamics &amp; Other Stuff - free download at http://www.flybetter.com.au/ The Clee effect is on</description>
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      <title>Re: Sport Aerobatics Magazine - safety articles</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:23:41 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Charles Greatrex</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1941</link>
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      <description>All, Yes, of course, it&#39;s the wing loading (G&#39;s)and the AOA that&#39;s the issue. David P might assist in an explanation of the &quot;Clee effect&quot;. Sounds like I&#39;m up</description>
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      <title>Re: Sport Aerobatics Magazine - safety articles</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:28:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Programmed Property Services</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1940</link>
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      <description>I would like to add a question to these arguments When flying a low powered Pawnee 150HP yep they did make one. During P turns with reduced/no power I noted</description>
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      <title>Re: Sport Aerobatics Magazine - safety articles</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:53:43 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>david foord</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1939</link>
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      <description>Hi Charles, stall speed does not increase due to bank angle, it increases with load factor. think again and see what you reckon. with the low roll rate of a</description>
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      <title>Re: Sport Aerobatics Magazine - safety articles</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:45:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Charles Greatrex</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1938</link>
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      <description>Hi David and all, I received the same advice many years ago while learning to flying gliders.  And it holds true no matter what you are flying. As you say, the</description>
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      <title>Re: Draft Maintenance Regulations</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:03:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Charles Greatrex</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1937</link>
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      <description>David and all, There is no discernible social hierarchy in Australia and, with the exception of those to whom we have already apologised and those we will</description>
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      <title>Re: Sport Aerobatics Magazine - safety articles</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:45:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>david foord</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1936</link>
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      <description>Hi Guys, it was interesting to read this. my aeroplane climbs out best at about 125 knots and 1000 fpm, so it is not of great concern to me, but will be in the</description>
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      <title>Re: Draft Maintenance Regulations</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:51:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Pilkington</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/message/1935</link>
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      <description>I just have to agree with this editorial (see below) from only two months ago. Some didn&#39;t like the new draft regulations even before they saw them: &quot;We can&#39;t</description>
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