http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/ The plato-republic list is for slow reading of Plato's Republic. Thu, 21 May 2009 15:42:41 GMT Robert Eldon Taylor http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2771 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2771 Lancelot Fletcher wrote: "Unless," I said, "the philosophers rule as kings or those now called kings and chiefs genuinely and adequately philosophize, and Thu, 21 May 2009 11:34:19 GMT George Gregory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2770 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2770 I do not like Shorey's translation, not even in this case in comparison with Bloom's, because Bloom is honest enough to simply translate, whereas Shorey Thu, 21 May 2009 11:28:20 GMT George Gregory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2769 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2769 ... This passage has an immediate and an extended context. Both contexts entail the question of whether what Socrates says he said (yesterday) is what he is Thu, 21 May 2009 10:13:22 GMT George Gregory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2768 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2768 Dear Lance, ... Yes. That is why I suggested that the build-up to speaking of "many natures" needs to be taken seriously, which means to examine the Thu, 21 May 2009 10:10:07 GMT Lancelot Fletcher http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2767 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2767 For those who might wish to pursue the question of what was meant by "many natures" in the passage at 473d, here, thanks to the Perseus search facility, is a Thu, 21 May 2009 08:13:41 GMT Thomas http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2766 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2766 I like Shorey's translation on Perseus: "Unless," said I, "either philosophers become kings in our states or those whom we now call our kings and rulers take Wed, 20 May 2009 23:27:11 GMT Lancelot Fletcher http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2765 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2765 Dear George, ... When I was writing this message I remember hesitating about writing, "... what Plato meant?" I asked myself, "Should I write, "What Socrates Wed, 20 May 2009 23:16:37 GMT Lancelot Fletcher http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2764 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2764 Dear George, ... When I was writing this message I remember hesitating about writing, "... what Plato meant?" I asked myself, "Should I write, "What Socrates Wed, 20 May 2009 16:42:56 GMT George Gregory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2763 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2763 Dear Lance, ... possible to make ... substituting for "the ... "the many groups ... Plato meant? I requote, with insertions: "Unless," I said, "the Wed, 20 May 2009 11:45:12 GMT Lancelot Fletcher http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2762 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2762 Sometimes a passage or even a single word that you have read a hundred times before suddenly occurs newly as a question. I had an experience of that kind Tue, 12 May 2009 06:53:54 GMT George Gregory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2761 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2761 Hello William Christian 61, Apart from what I have said, what strikes you in particular as complicated? Best regards, George _____ Von: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:17:37 GMT George Gregory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2759 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2759 To continue, and to dig deeper into the detail and into the questions with which Plato's composition confronts us: "As soon as he saw me Cephalus greeted me Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:41:46 GMT R.L. JOHNSON http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2758 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2758 Dear friend: What are u doing these days?I am going to recommend a Eshop to you.Yesterday I found a web of a large trading company from China,which is an agent Thu, 09 Apr 2009 10:07:32 GMT George Gregory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2757 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2757 328b9 f.: "And I thought him [Greek: moi edoxen] much aged, for it was a long time since I had seen [Greek: eôrakê, pluperfect of horaô, see eidetically] Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:30:40 GMT George Gregory http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2756 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plato-republic/message/2756 Change of Scene: 328b4 f. Socrates and Glaucon and Polemarchus and his gang went to Polemarchus' house. Socrates narrates the transition. "...[T]here we found