http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/ The Programmer's Stone Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:12:04 GMT Steve Dodd http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12639 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12639 ... Well, what I actually I postulated was a perpetual stasis machine where nobody does anything and lots of banks fail, but I certainly implied that the Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:02:44 GMT Steve Langasek http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12638 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12638 ... What you've postulated is a perpetual motion machine, where these banks will never fail because they can borrow more money, and they can always borrow more Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:55:18 GMT Steve Dodd http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12637 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12637 ... Well, yes, that bit was rather tongue-in-cheek. I'm enjoying the moment myself (no doubt only briefly, until all this finds a way of intruding upon my own Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:08:49 GMT test_for_echo2003 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12636 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12636 ... No. I'm afraid that's a bit of a simplification. First, I don't agree schadenfreude neccessarily represents low spiritual development -- one sometimes Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:31:31 GMT Steve Dodd http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12635 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12635 See if you can get your heads (or your AIs) around this one: Postulate 1: Banks are reluctant to lend to other banks because they're worried that the other Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:22:37 GMT Steve Dodd http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12634 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12634 ... I really like that, but perhaps it should be pointed out that this depends on your starting position: certainty v uncertainty, or perhaps security v. Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:50:40 GMT obenchainr http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12633 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12633 ... of, ... Just a quick reminder that "the map is not the territory". It's possible to have multiple concepts of the same thing and have them all be Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:46:43 GMT Theodore H. Smith http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12632 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12632 ... http://elfdata.com/temp/5levels.png ... Not too abstract. It's just something you don't experience enough of, or spend enough time trying to get those Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:32:00 GMT Theodore H. Smith http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12631 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12631 ... I won't answer the entire email as it's long. The ability to do logic comes from evolution. But once we got there, to that level, we don't need evolution Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:04:27 GMT Steve Dodd http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12630 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12630 ... I'm beginning to suspect we may actually be in violent agreement .. I think the slowness in "evolution" is actually down to the predictable bits of reality Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:17:30 GMT Theodore H. Smith http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12629 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12629 ... It's possible to think in an evolution-like way. However... this doesn't get you very far very fast. With logic, you can just leap to the correct answer. Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:13:01 GMT Steve Dodd http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12628 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12628 ... I'm not convinced there's a difference. There is something very evolution-like about thought and problem-solving, though obviously it happens much faster. Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:40:52 GMT rosie hassall http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12627 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12627  Question:If we put emotions into logic and logic into emotions or vice versa  (if this matters  its that Logic creeping in) do we get logic or emotion Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:58:18 GMT Theodore H. Smith http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12626 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12626 ... Also... as for "quantum wierdness"... I'd say that you are looking on the wrong track. Humans really are free. As is all life. I would say that all life Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:33:52 GMT Theodore H. Smith http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12625 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/progstone/message/12625 ... Hi Steve, the way I see it is this: You can't create a life form in code. It's impossible to make a program that can sense or see or feel emotions or make