http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/ Revelation mailing list Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:57:43 GMT Moriah Plastics (Coates) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1065 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1065 What would the New Perspective on Paul have to say about the communal salvic nature of the flight from Jerusalem? J Coates ... From: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:01:01 GMT Tom Ricks http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1064 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1064 Agree with your assessment and appreciate your thoughts. (Unfortunately I have heard way too much on the "wild speculation" side of the story!) Tom Dr. Tom Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:00:58 GMT biblestudy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1063 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1063 Hi, I did not mean to imply that one had to be a physical Israelite to enter the New Jerusalem. My point was that the idea of 12 tribes was clearly symbolic. Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:00:54 GMT biblestudy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1062 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1062 I agree. Or even of Hebrews. John B ... From: George F Somsel To: revelation-list@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:00:48 GMT biblestudy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1061 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1061 I personally think the Great Whore is all the "Romes" of history. It is a system rather than a place and it has been present in all the seven "mountains" or Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:42:28 GMT George F Somsel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1060 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1060 I would disagree that the Whore of Babylon is Rome.? It would include Rome, but it would also represent any and all powers which attempt to wield power Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:37:26 GMT George F Somsel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1059 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1059 By citing James and 1 Peter I was not attempting to imply that those addressed were Jews.  In fact, my intention was quite the opposite.  They were NOT Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:19:14 GMT KennethGentry@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1058 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1058 My understanding of Revelation is that it is a forensic drama presenting God's divorce of his OT wife Israel, and his taking?a new bride, the Church. John Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:48:41 GMT drjenney2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1057 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1057 I am confident the original meaning of the Revelation was the actual city of Rome. Thus, the "exegetical answer" is Rome itself. The "application answer" Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:40:08 GMT charles.larkin@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1056 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1056 It may be a mistake to adopt an exclusively Judaeo-centric approach to Revelation in particular and the NT in general. One of the very earliest NT writings was Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:39:48 GMT Tom Ricks http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1055 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1055 Are you suggesting that the Great Whore is relegated only to Rome? Or are you saying that it symbolizes all "Romes" throughout the history of the church? I Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:31:07 GMT George F Somsel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1054 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1054 I hardly think that the author of the Epistle of James or that of First Peter were writing to Israelites   1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:56:11 GMT drjenney2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1053 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1053 I think you have made some good points here, but you are being too wooden with your approach. The fact that the New Jerusalem has twelve gates need not mean Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:39:01 GMT biblestudy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1052 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1052 Can't see it myself. It is clear that "Israel", the idea of "12 Tribes" "temple" "Jerusalem" are all symbolic in places in Revelation. Exegetical integrity Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:52:23 GMT jonknewton http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1051 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1051 I think your approach has a lot of strengths, though it doesn't explain everything about Revelation (but which one approach ever can?) However, it is