http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/ Revelation mailing list Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:15:31 GMT e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1077 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1077 Dear George, I apologize. I read your post, and I wasn't including you in "everybody." I was including those who responded to my original post last week. Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:34:51 GMT George F Somsel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1076 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1076 Apparently you didn't read my reply with sufficient care.  I in no way implied that the 1000 years mentioned in Re 20 were literal or that you assumed such Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:24:20 GMT e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1075 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1075 I think the whole idea of chiliasm and its relation to the Apocalypse needs careful examination. As you may know, Eusebius identified Papias as the one who Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:08:26 GMT Georg S. Adamsen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1074 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1074 An interesting quote. I, for one, am in need of more information. It is very common to see Irenaeus labelled as a premillennialist (or chiliast). Do you think Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:37:09 GMT e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1073 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1073 I'm an amillennialist. I don't think the 6000 years was meant to be literal. For instance, Irenaeus who is usually considered a chiliast, made this statement Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:33:51 GMT Tom Ricks http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1072 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1072 Jack Collins work, Genesis 1 - 4 A Linguistic, Literary and Theological Commentary has some of the best work I've seen on the early Genesis passages balancing Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:58:11 GMT George F Somsel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1071 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1071 It does appear in some of the apocalyptic literature that they have a view of a "world week", i.e. that it is to last a week which consists of 7 1,000 yr Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:52:28 GMT Wray http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1070 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1070 I agree that /eschaton /makes many leaps that are unsubstantiated by scripture and presents more questions than answers. The problem I have with this reply Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:49:50 GMT Alan Fuller http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1069 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1069 Although the focus in Revelation usually is about what nations or times are represented, there is also a theological side to Revelation, and that can be Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:49:48 GMT e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1068 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1068 That's the response I sometimes get, but notice I wrote. The point is that the sabbath thousand years is a different day than the one that Satan is held Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:57:16 GMT drjenney2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1067 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1067 Seems a bit simplistic to me. It assumes the earth was created a bit over 6000 years ago, which flies in the evidence of the world around us. It is supported Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:30:37 GMT e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1066 The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: "And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:57:43 GMT Moriah Plastics (Coates) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1065 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1065 What would the New Perspective on Paul have to say about the communal salvic nature of the flight from Jerusalem? J Coates ... From: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:01:01 GMT Tom Ricks http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1064 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1064 Agree with your assessment and appreciate your thoughts. (Unfortunately I have heard way too much on the "wild speculation" side of the story!) Tom Dr. Tom Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:00:58 GMT biblestudy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1063 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revelation-list/message/1063 Hi, I did not mean to imply that one had to be a physical Israelite to enter the New Jerusalem. My point was that the idea of 12 tribes was clearly symbolic.