http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/ This is a list to discuss the creation of role playing game systems (mechanics, genre, style, etc). Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:15:11 GMT loki_29091974 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44213 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44213 I finally managed to get a copy of Pendragon, so I'll be doing some reading on the subject in the next days. I'll give you all guys a more complete feedback to Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:31:04 GMT Peter Knutsen http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44212 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44212 loki_29091974 wrote: ... I have vague plans for doing something like that for Minor NPCs in Modern Action RPG. Players use eight broad skill categories, each Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:21:44 GMT loki_29091974 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44211 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44211 ... You're right, it's an interesting in-between the two systems. Still I think I'd rather keep the advantages and disadvantages of being, for example, a noble Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:07:59 GMT loki_29091974 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44210 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44210 ... I think I will end up doing something along those lines. As Peter described in a post a few hours ago, OMNIA too, being heavily inspired by Sagatafl, uses Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:25:17 GMT Brian Gross http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44209 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44209 Understood, this is where you have to adjust some point costs for things due to the genre/world/scenario. In the sample below the effect you mention would be Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:08:49 GMT Klaus Æ. http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44208 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44208 ... I like this approach for 'plot hook' kinds of traits that don't make the character inherently weaker or more powerful: enemies, affiliations, psychological Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:48:33 GMT Klaus Æ. http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44207 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44207 ... I have seen several ways to do. it: * Rolemaster has lists of standard NPCs with only the most important stats and skills listed. * In the Buffy RPG, minor Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:45:52 GMT Brian Gross http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44206 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44206 Several level-less, point-cost systems deal with this issue by making what a character "is" a combination of advantages and disadvantages that more or less Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:34:49 GMT Klaus Æ. http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44205 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44205 ... To properly simulate LotR or superhero teams with vastly varied power levels, you need to give the 'weak' characters something like a 'Fate' rating that Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:37:44 GMT Peter Knutsen http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44204 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44204 ... For Sagatafl, one can simply take an eduated guess at the character's Aptitude for each of his or her most important skills, and then assign a skill level Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:15:09 GMT loki_29091974 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44203 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44203 ... This is a point I'm worried about too, expecially with a system as detailed as OMNIA will turn out to be. It might take an hour simply to create an NPC, Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:11:22 GMT loki_29091974 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44202 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44202 ... Well, in OMNIA if something is *bought* (that is it costs Character Points which could have been profitably spent elsewhere) then it must have an effect in Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:00:54 GMT loki_29091974 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44201 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44201 ... Beacuse I'd like my PC to be treated fairly, and by fairly I mean that he receives no advantages nor disadvantages by being a PC rather than a NPC. This, Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:03:58 GMT Torben AEgidius Mogensen http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44200 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44200 ... The balance you get with point-buy systems is, at best, an illusion. You can not a priori determine which set of abilities is most useful unless you know Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:52:36 GMT Peter Knutsen http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44199 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpg-create/message/44199 ... What Mauro and I want, is that the world can be *derived* from the rules. You look at the rules, and analyze the dynamics, and from that the world emerges,