http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/ Scrum Users Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:42:34 GMT Ron Jeffries http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39547 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39547 Hello, sepreece. On Saturday, July 4, 2009, at 11:18:56 AM, you ... First, I have never, in nearly a half century, encountered a project with deadline so Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:19:37 GMT sepreece http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39546 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39546 "That merely means that the original deadline was wrong." Some deadlines cannot be wrong - they are simply deadlines. The interesting question then is whether Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:30:37 GMT Tobias Mayer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39545 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39545 Very nicely put Victor. Thanks. Tobias victor oliveira wrote: One important item to remember is that in principle a Scrum project ends when the cost to do the Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:04:58 GMT victor oliveira http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39544 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39544 One important item to remember is that in principle a Scrum project ends when the cost to do the next Sprint is greater then the return of the features in Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:05:36 GMT George Dinwiddie http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39543 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39543 Hi, Tobias, You're quite right that it's possible to adopt Scrum without a coach. It just doesn't seem to work out well much of the time. Like Esther, I've Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:38:35 GMT Roy Morien http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39542 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39542 True ... but these are 'illegal' actions, inasmuch as there is a clear rule or principle that nothing is developed that is not asked for. Another contributor Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:59:11 GMT Adam Sroka http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39541 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39541 In general Agile prefers working experiments to research. If you can develop something that is part of the solution, or even something that proves the Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:48:24 GMT francisco.mardones http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39540 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39540 Thanks. Well, separating the message is absolutely a good idea. In general terms (outside the specific problem described), there are tasks that need long Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:27:16 GMT Adam Sroka http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39539 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39539 The first thing I would do would be to split "send a message to supervisor" from "determine and display employee's speed". That is the most obvious Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:04:33 GMT francisco.mardones http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39538 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39538 Hi, I've been succesfully using Scrum in "traditional" projects (like "create a new web app" where tipical requirements are "create a login page" or "send a Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:25:12 GMT Tobias Mayer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39537 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39537 Hi George, Step 1 makes sense. Reading is good. Discussion is good. Step 2 makes less sense to me. Firstly, Esther's article is abut why a manager should not Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:24:27 GMT George Dinwiddie http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39536 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39536 ... Step 1: read all you can and discuss it in your company. Step 2: hire an experienced Agile coach. Really. (And it doesn't have to be me; this isn't a Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:12:33 GMT jmilunsky http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39535 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39535 Good point Tobias. You are right. In my previous organization it started from the bottom - no buy in. But it was a bit stressful at first as they couldn't deal Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:05:15 GMT Tobias Mayer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39534 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39534 Pooja, There are many different ways to implement Scrum in an organization, but I think it is a mistake to search for "steps". Scrum itself is not prescriptive Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:39:28 GMT jmilunsky http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39533 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/39533 To answer this properly will require a huge amount of effort as the questions are rather open ended. I think it's best that I just point you to some reference