http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/ This list is about sheep color genetics, including Northern European Short-tails and others. Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:56:23 GMT Renee Cani-Excel http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4407 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4407 Hi yes me again! its not a pattern or series of patterns its a progression of filling in to a solid phaeo sheep and three colours sounds good to me; so in a Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:27:44 GMT Renee Cani-Excel http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4406 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4406 Hi Holly yes the lack of interest is puzzling. I don't know what it would take for those who are in a position to reexamine the process I can only imagine how Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:22:57 GMT Renee Cani-Excel http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4405 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4405 Hi Carol I can understand your frustration, everything I have read says it isn't possible; all I am asking is what proof can be provided other than that which Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:17:15 GMT Carol http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4404 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4404 Excuse me..I've been "lurking" and have been following the discussion of Extension dominant and its affect; also there was mention of the production of agouti Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:50:20 GMT Holly http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4403 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4403 Renee, you may be correct that pheo is sometimes hiding under black and brown. I certainly think there's pheo influencing some of the 'modified' Shetland Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:00:01 GMT Renee Cani-Excel http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4402 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4402 Hi Holly yes your right ED it has to be a straight switch. I can only assume you are all stunned into awed silence re black phaeo, :-) short of becoming a Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:03:20 GMT Holly http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4401 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4401 Renne writes: <<a dominant black sheep is a sheep with full intensity switched on meaning fullest expression of eumelanin >> Sort of....dominant black at the Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:43:25 GMT Renee Cani-Excel http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4400 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4400 Hi Ingird Because I realised I was hasty and jumped to a conclusion it was wrong of me. no other reason Renée ... From: Ingrid & Alan To: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:36:51 GMT Renee Cani-Excel http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4399 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4399 just thinking out loud............so would that mean that that a dominant black sheep is a sheep with full intensity switched on meaning fullest expression of Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:34:11 GMT Ingrid & Alan http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4398 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4398 So why are you saying that Funny Face is brown and not overwhelmingly phaeomelanin with spots? Ingrid ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:36:25 GMT hobsickle@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4397 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4397 A few questions: 1. How big are follicular melanosomes? (I'm looking for a quantitative measurement.) 2. When melanin is transferred from the follicular Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:35:55 GMT kmkestner_3 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4396 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4396 <Hi Dee, I can only speak from my own experience having spent a while growing up in the middle east getting sunburnt through clothing is entirely possible I Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:00:15 GMT Renee Cani-Excel http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4395 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4395 Engage brain before fingers! previously posted; ""http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/photos/view/47ee?b=1 White sheep but a different Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:54:27 GMT Renee Cani-Excel http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4394 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4394 thanks Letty back to the drawing board:-)) you have to post phots in the photo file or put them on a photo hosting site would love to see them Renée ... From: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:41:17 GMT lettykk@... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4393 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sheep-color-genetics/message/4393 Holly's right. My Karakuls don't sun bleach. Here is a recent picture of 3 blacks and a brown. The two black rams were born in mid February, the black ewe and