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      <title>ACCU on Wednesday &#39;The Parrot Virtual Machine&#39; Allison Randal</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:01:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Walter Vannini</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3696</link>
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      <description>When:      Wednesday, July 8, 2009 Topic:     The Parrot Virtual Machine Speaker:   Allison Randal Time:      6:30pm doors open 7:00pm meeting begins Where:</description>
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      <title>Re: [growing-oo-software-guided-by-tests] Feedback on &quot;Testing Persi</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:59:04 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>yanfali</dc:creator>
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      <description>... Shenanigans.  We&#39;re testing persistence layers.  Otherwise what is the point of this chapter.  This smells like architecture astronauting. We do care we</description>
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      <title>Re: [growing-oo-software-guided-by-tests] Feedback on &quot;Testing Persi</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:14:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Wayne Vucenic</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3694</link>
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      <description>... I found your explanation above very helpful, and I think it would be worth stating in the text. Wayne</description>
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      <title>Next Tuesday - Guice 2.0 (1) - New Track</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:17:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Russ Rufer</dc:creator>
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      <description>_________________________________________________________ Core - Silicon Valley Patterns Group __________________________________________________________ Date:</description>
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      <title>Re: Feedback on &quot;Appendix A. jMock2 Cheat Sheet&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:48:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Smith</dc:creator>
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      <description>... On re-read, that&#39;s silly. It&#39;s a short hop between ExpectationBuilder and Expectation once you get past the lack of a link. Dave</description>
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      <title>Feedback on &quot;Appendix A. jMock2 Cheat Sheet&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:38:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Smith</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3691</link>
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      <description>Many of the SVP reviewers weren&#39;t happy with the tests that use of jMock, finding them hard to decipher. I think that a subset of the group is fairly </description>
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      <title>Re: Feedback on &quot;Testing Persistence&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:43:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Yan-Fa Li</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3690</link>
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      <description>not at all. ... From: Dave Smith &lt;davewsmith@...&gt; Subject: Re: [svp] Feedback on &quot;Testing Persistence&quot; To: siliconvalleypatterns@yahoogroups.com Date:</description>
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      <title>Re: Feedback on &quot;Testing Persistence&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:14:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Smith</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3689</link>
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      <description>Thanks, Yan. Mind if I forward your comment to the growing-oo-software list? Dave</description>
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      <title>Re: Feedback on &quot;Testing Persistence&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:50:44 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Yan-Fa Li</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3688</link>
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      <description>Hi Dave, I think there was some lost in translation effects.  So my point about this chapter was, current &quot;best&quot; practices are to use DAOs for accessing the</description>
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      <title>Feedback on &quot;Testing Asynchronous Code&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:20:32 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Smith</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3687</link>
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      <description>Feedback on this chapter is a bit sparce: By this point review burnout was setting in. We had a bit of trouble with this chapter. On reviewer&#39;s comment was &quot;If</description>
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      <title>Feedback on &quot;Unit Testing and Threads&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:02:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Smith</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3686</link>
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      <description>First paragraph: there&#39;s a missing comma on one side of &#39;first&#39; in &quot;When writing unit tests first&quot;. From context, I&#39;m guessing it goes after &#39;tests&#39;. In</description>
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      <title>Feedback on &quot;Testing Persistence&quot;</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:34:02 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Smith</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3685</link>
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      <description>The group had some mixed opinions on this chapter. Some questioned whether &quot;issues correct queries&quot; was worth testing, assuming that the third-party ORM had</description>
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      <title>Next Tuesday - Growing Object-Oriented Software - Pre-publication Re</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:05:47 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>tracy_bialik</dc:creator>
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      <title>Re: [growing-oo-software-guided-by-tests] Feedback on &quot;Constructing </title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:54:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Dave Smith</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3683</link>
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      <description>... That&#39;s it exactly. My use of &quot;at least to us&quot; was allowing for your not seeing this as the common problem we see it as. Dave</description>
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      <title>Re: [growing-oo-software-guided-by-tests] Feedback on &quot;Constructing </title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:10:50 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Russ Rufer</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/siliconvalleypatterns/message/3682</link>
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      <description>... I think that &quot;at least to us&quot; phrase is significant. Looking back over the last 5 years or so, *every* project I&#39;ve joined part way through that has been</description>
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