http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/ Home Energy Systems Discussion Wed, 22 May 2013 22:43:38 GMT randy young http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30867 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30867 Randy Young POB 1060 Abilene, Texas 79604 And what, Jerry drives the prop that pushes the air? The ground? well, yes. Then, why does it not do so when the wind Wed, 22 May 2013 04:14:36 GMT jerry freedomev http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30866 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30866                                   Hi Scott and All,   Wed, 22 May 2013 04:13:36 GMT jerry freedomev http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30865 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30865                           Hi Scott and All,                                   The  prop, not rotor, is Wed, 22 May 2013 04:12:01 GMT Tod Hanley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30864 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30864 Hi Randy- If you can see how to use a turbine to head directly into the wind then we can get you there... There is really no difference if the wind is blowing, Wed, 22 May 2013 04:11:15 GMT Scot Mc Pherson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30863 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30863 Ok I found a few of the articles that discuss this, and all the articles are mostly clones of each other, so I don't consider them separate sources of Wed, 22 May 2013 04:09:24 GMT Jones, Martin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30862 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30862 A lot of the Chinese fiberglass blades are "fat". I thought it was probably just for strength (overkill to offset manufacturing flaws), but maybe they were Wed, 22 May 2013 04:08:46 GMT Scot Mc Pherson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30861 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30861 Jerry, What you sare saying is all fine except for one thing....The wind itself is going to try and make the windmill turn the OTHER direction. So you have the Wed, 22 May 2013 04:08:12 GMT Jones, Martin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30860 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30860 Jerry, Yes, a geared buggy can drive directly into the wind. All you need is the correct gear ratio such that the buggy can crawl forward against the force it Wed, 22 May 2013 04:07:32 GMT Scot Mc Pherson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30859 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30859 Doug, You have some misunderstandings here. Sailing on a reach is NOT the same as an unloaded mill. Sailing on a reach would be like taking that mill, facing Tue, 21 May 2013 16:44:21 GMT jerry freedomev http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30858 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30858                                    H Laurie, Greg, Doug and All,     Tue, 21 May 2013 16:13:52 GMT randy young http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30857 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30857 Oh, windy friends, I am now completely convinced that it is impossible. Love you Doug, but this time I think you have been bamboozled. I can easily see that Tue, 21 May 2013 14:37:53 GMT Laurie Forbes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30856 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30856 I think perhaps we have a bit of a reading comprehension problem here. To reiterate, the key point is it is not possible to sail or buggy or any other wind Tue, 21 May 2013 14:14:41 GMT ronse0 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30855 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30855 As to the question whether it would be physically possible or not just the following thought : in talking about physical possibilities one may assume that the Tue, 21 May 2013 14:14:13 GMT scriabini http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30854 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30854 Aye, it sounds improbable and impossible but it actually does work! Once you figure it out the concept/application is brilliant! The key is getting power to Tue, 21 May 2013 14:13:27 GMT Robert Preus, PE http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30853 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-wind-home/message/30853 Scott, No one said that you cannot sail faster than the wind. They said you cannot sail "dead downwind" faster than the wind. Ice boats reach speeds that