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    <description>imple Public Key Infrastructure</description>

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      <title>Re: problem with the death of X.509 PKI</title>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2001 04:55:47 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Peter Gutmann</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/973</link>
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      <description>... I&#39;ve found the paper, it&#39;s &quot;Why Isn&#39;t Trust Transitive&quot; by Bruce Christianson and William Harbison, proceedings of the (first) Security Protocols Workshop,</description>
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      <title>Re: trust management (was Re: problem with the death of X.509    PK</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:57:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Pornthep Narula</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/972</link>
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      <description>... my pleasure! ... unfortunately, we (in general) seems to have been doing much of the former and too little of the latter.... ... i agree that traditional</description>
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      <title>Re: The role of certificates in Balkanized domains</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:16:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>James A. Rome</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/971</link>
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      <description>I am well aware of Akenti. The main problem it solves is stakeholder&#39;s rights, but aside from allowing or disallowing access to a resource, Akenti has no</description>
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      <title>Re: The role of certificates in Balkanized domains</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2001 16:26:48 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Ng Pheng Siong</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/970</link>
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      <description>... Hi, There is a project called Akenti, which is ... calling trusted assistant Mr Google ...  ah, here it is: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/security/Akenti/ &lt;blurb&gt;</description>
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      <title>Re: faith-based security and kinds of trust</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2001 13:35:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Niels Möller</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/969</link>
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      <description>... I think the defining component of psychosis is a distorted perception of reality. If I&#39;m psychotic, I might honestly believe that I am Elvis Presley and </description>
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      <title>Re: trust management (was Re: problem with the death of X.509   PKI)</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:51:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>R. A. Hettinga</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/968</link>
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      <description>... Finance, boys and girls. Finance. ... Cheers, RAH (Carl says this all the time. It&#39;s true. :-)) -- ... R. A. Hettinga &lt;mailto: rah@...&gt; The Internet</description>
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      <title>Re: trust management (was Re: problem with the death of X.509 PKI)</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:36:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Tony Bartoletti</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/967</link>
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      <description>... Good point.  We often toss probabilities around in formulas, and don&#39;t include at least one of &quot;per unit time&quot;, or &quot;per event, per transaction&quot;, or some</description>
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      <title>Re: trust management (was Re: problem with the death of X.509 PKI)</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2001 00:56:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Martin Smith</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/966</link>
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      <description>Well, then this suggests a time element (as in net present value of the negative future harm.)  I&#39;m not actually going anywhere with this thought . .. but it</description>
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      <title>Re: trust management (was Re: problem with the death of X.509  PKI)</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:47:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Tony Bartoletti</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/965</link>
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      <description>Pornthep, First, thanks for the dictionary link!  Some comments below. ... It is always a bit of both. ... The problem with most dictionaries is that they are</description>
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      <title>Re: trust management (was Re: problem with the death of X.509   PKI)</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:28:43 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Pornthep Narula</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/964</link>
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      <description>... Aso, Neville Holmes recently brought up terminology standards issue on his &#39;The Profession&#39; column in the IEEE Computer May 2001 issue titled &#39;The Great </description>
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      <title>Re: trust management (was Re: problem with the death of X.509   PKI)</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:15:47 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Pornthep Narula</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/963</link>
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      <description>... [...] ... [...] ... i guess we could choose to either 1) continue debating and try to reach a closed-group consensus on the definitions of these</description>
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      <title>Re: trust management (was Re: problem with the death of X.509  PKI)</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2001 18:08:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Tony Bartoletti</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/962</link>
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      <description>... [snip] ... I do agree.  The point was whether &quot;to trust&quot; = &quot;to rely upon&quot;.  It tends to be so in the hypothetical, but although you might not trust that</description>
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      <title>Re: The role of certificates in Balkanized domains</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2001 14:22:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Carl Ellison</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/961</link>
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      <description>... Hash: SHA1 ... You&#39;re right, it&#39;s possible to put great enforcement into the programming language, if you have an interpreted language and it&#39;s designed</description>
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      <title>Re: The role of certificates in Balkanized domains</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:24:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>James A. Rome</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/960</link>
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      <description>Since I am in a non-defense lab, we do not do (much) classified work, and do not have secure computers with MAC. :-(( I have often longed for something like a</description>
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      <title>Re: The role of certificates in Balkanized domains</title>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:57:28 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Carl Ellison</dc:creator>
      <link>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/spki/message/959</link>
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      <description>... Hash: SHA1 Jim, this is a great discussion. As usual, Dave is almost 100% on the money.  The one place I disagree with him is at the end of his message. I</description>
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