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      <title>Re: Repentance and Return (teshuvah) and Guilt</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:37:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>gich2</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25882</link>
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      <description>... fact that St. Paul is quite capable of describing a conflicted soul.&lt;&lt;&lt; From the Revised English Bible (1989): James 2.10 For if a man breaks just one</description>
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      <title>Re: Ridley Scott&#39;s Gladiator (contains spoilers)</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:17:50 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25881</link>
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      <description>... I think Maximus&#39; speech to his troops at the start of the film has stoic elements. Particularly the passage where he says that what we do in life echoes in</description>
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      <title>Re: Ridley Scott&#39;s Gladiator (contains spoilers)</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:24:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Michael Paris</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25880</link>
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      <description>Jan Garrett wrote: &lt;&lt; On whether it is Stoic to seek vengeance, there is a passage in Seneca&#39;s De Ira (which argues against anger) where S. responds to an</description>
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      <title>Re: Guilt, Sin, Control</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:02:04 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Vicki Russell</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25879</link>
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      <description>Guilt and shame are mechanisms for control, be it self control or control of others, they can be a bad or good things with respect to whether or not they are</description>
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      <title>Guilt, Sin, Control</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:43:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Jan Garrett</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25878</link>
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      <description>St. Paul and Augustine, whom I mentioned in the previous post, had a lot of influence on Catholicism.  But the discourse of guilt seems to be (almost entirely)</description>
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      <title>Re: Ridley Scott&#39;s Gladiator (contains spoilers)</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:03:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Jan Garrett</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25877</link>
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      <description>On whether it is Stoic to seek vengeance, there is a passage in Seneca&#39;s De Ira (which argues against anger) where S. responds to an imagined interlocutor who</description>
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      <title>Re: Shame, Honor, and Guilt</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:29:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Jan Garrett</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25876</link>
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      <description>Richard Bodeus, a leading Aristotle scholar whose work I have translated, sometimes renders aidos by reverence.  The observation that it is a type of fear (of</description>
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      <title>Re: Ridley Scott&#39;s Gladiator (contains spoilers)</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:59:19 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Michael Paris</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25875</link>
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      <description>... But you didn&#39;t mention any of the scenes with Marcus Aurelius talking to Maximus, asking him, &quot;what is Rome to you?&quot; or MA talking with his son Commodus</description>
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      <title>Re: Ridley Scott&#39;s Gladiator (contains spoilers)</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:15:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Vicki Russell</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25874</link>
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      <description>Welcome aboard, buddy, good to see you :-) ... From: Roger Twitchell &lt;rtwitchell3@...&gt; Subject: Re: [stoics] Re: Ridley Scott&#39;s Gladiator (contains</description>
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      <title>Re: Ridley Scott&#39;s Gladiator (contains spoilers)</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:37:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Roger Twitchell</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25873</link>
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      <description>... My watching the film &quot;many, many times&quot; was several years ago, while I suspect I had much more 12 year old boy left in me than I do now, and as such</description>
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      <title>Re: Pathways in the mind</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:52:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
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      <description>Grant,   It seems to me that to in order to derive a correlation between electrochemical activity in the brain and various cognitive states one must</description>
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      <title>Re: Ridley Scott&#39;s Gladiator (contains spoilers)</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:47:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Amos</dc:creator>
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      <description>I saw Gladiator about 10 years ago,  with my son,  who was age 12 then.    It was a great movie for a 12 year-old-boy,  and for the 12 year-old boy that most</description>
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      <title>Re: Ridley Scott&#39;s Gladiator (contains spoilers)</title>
      <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:41:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Roger Twitchell</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25870</link>
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      <description>Folks - I&#39;ve watched &quot;Gladiator&quot; many, many times, and IMHO Richard Harris played MA in a way that IMHO strongly suggested he carefully read the Meditations as</description>
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      <title>Re: Repentance and Return (teshuvah) and Guilt</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:37:47 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Amos</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25869</link>
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      <description>Jan:   I think that it&#39;s correct that shame has to do with being observed or being seen.   In the Old Testament,  the Hebrews are observed by Yahweh:  for</description>
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      <title>aidos</title>
      <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:50:18 GMT</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
      <link>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/25868</link>
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      <description>Interesting link with some nice art work. Aidos is discussed towards the end. Kevin </description>
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