http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/ International Stoic Forum Sat, 25 May 2013 08:02:28 GMT nekonatulo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35131 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35131 Sorry for posting two topics at the same time, but I have two things on my mind which I would like to discuss. To me being a Stoic means: 1) Logic: Learning Sat, 25 May 2013 06:59:53 GMT nekonatulo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35130 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35130 One of the principles in Stoic ethics is to be a world citizen. As a world citizen one would look further then the nation in which one is born. One would serve Sat, 25 May 2013 04:29:24 GMT Kevin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35129 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35129 Here are qualities of a Cognitive Impression (CI) and people * They represent what is and only what is. * Normal functioning human beings have the faculties Fri, 24 May 2013 20:33:12 GMT Grant Sterling http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35128 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35128 I just have a second... Another problem is that the Stoics clearly accept that some of our impressions have a value component-- I not only have the impression Fri, 24 May 2013 10:17:47 GMT TheophileEscargot http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35127 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35127 Maybe we should say a bit more about "L & S" or "Long and Sedley" for the benefit of any newcomers. In full, this is "The Hellenistic Philosophers, Vol. 1: Fri, 24 May 2013 01:07:19 GMT Steve Marquis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35126 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35126 Kevin-   Appreciate your response.  Long & Sedley is my first and favorite source to resolve ‘what is Stoicism’ type of questions.  I probably learned Thu, 23 May 2013 13:09:02 GMT Kevin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35125 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35125 OK, I'll answer Steve's questions  then proceed a little bit. "Are you saying you will not accept logic or reason to make a point but only scholarly Thu, 23 May 2013 09:02:42 GMT TheophileEscargot http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35124 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35124 I tend to agree with Steve here. I think the firm division between intuitive and empirical knowledge is a somewhat modern development in philosophy. Two Thu, 23 May 2013 02:02:48 GMT Steve Marquis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35123 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35123 Kevin-   Are you saying you will not accept logic or reason to make a point but only scholarly historical evidence?  So let’s see: A and B imply C but C is Thu, 23 May 2013 00:06:03 GMT Kevin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35122 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35122 Hi Steve,   While I do appreciate your point that about not only being two possible explanations your analogy doesn't really apply  because it isn't my or Wed, 22 May 2013 21:43:22 GMT smartgreg77 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35121 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35121 That's sorta how it works out in my practice, Glenn, as one of the first things I try to tell myself when flustered is: "this is an opportunity to sharpen my Wed, 22 May 2013 20:23:31 GMT Steve Marquis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35120 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35120 Hi Kevin-   Let me suggest a third option.  There is no vacillation.  It is both.   We are always trying to put Stoicism into definitional boxes we make Wed, 22 May 2013 18:13:28 GMT Kevin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35119 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35119 Steve: “Belief is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for knowledge”   Me: I understand and this is Stoic. The Stoics believed you had to have firm Wed, 22 May 2013 13:59:11 GMT Richard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35118 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35118 Can't we tolerate and accept a modicum of ambiguity or uncertainty? So, why not simply say - 1. The Stoic system works pragmatically based upon certain Wed, 22 May 2013 11:20:09 GMT glennonymous http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35117 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/35117 Hello All, I just started reading Nassim Taleb's Antifragile: Things That Gain From Disorder . Taleb's Big Idea is that the opposite of fragility is not