http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/ International Stoic Forum Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:44:27 GMT Jan Garrett http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27595 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27595 The Greek is: ho kosmos--alloio*sis, ho bios--hupole*psis, with the asterisked letters being omega and eta respectively. The word being translated by Hammond Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:54:36 GMT Kevin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27594 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27594 Thanks for the references Paul; the similarities of the logical systems (Pierce's and Chrysippus') is indeed interesting. I  think the "contextual value" of Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:00:09 GMT Dave Kelly http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27593 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27593 I own Martin Hammond's translation of the Meditations (Penguin Classics) (Paperback) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140449337/ref=ox_ya_oh_product Hammond's Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:56:23 GMT Dave Kelly http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27592 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27592 Hi Jules, ... But as I understand Nussbaum, that is the only feature of Stoicism which she incorporates into her own philosophy; and she doesn't accept the Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:33:36 GMT iamalemur http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27591 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27591 ... Perhaps not... This is something I've been thinking about a lot. Would they still have attempted to maintain their position on the separation of the mind Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:40:47 GMT mreeyore1968 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27590 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27590 Dear Kevin yes it's a good (handy) trick. I remember writing about these issues, some years ago on this forum, and there was some concern that I was reducing Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:22:31 GMT Stoic Stoic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27589 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27589 It's difficult to define what New Stoicism is. At its broadest, its the modern (ie post-1950) revival of interest in Stoicism, and its practical relevance to Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:09:49 GMT Kevin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27588 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27588  I think the conception of energy, was something they did not have. The fundamental idea that "only a body could effect a body" had far reaching effects on Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:52:16 GMT brunians@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27587 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27587 I have no idea what Chrysippus argument is, but divination works well enough, as anyone who has bothered to learn one of the methods of divining can attest. . Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:31:14 GMT KevinC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27586 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27586 All, In chapter III "Propositional Connectives" of the book Stoic Logic by Benson Mates, Mr. Mates discusses Implication from a historical perspective. He Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:30:27 GMT Dave Kelly http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27585 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27585 Hi Michel, I've just recently found it impossible to accept Chrysippus' argument for and belief in the existence of divination. But I can't think of any of Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:54:38 GMT Michel Daw http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27584 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27584 Good idea. Let's open it up. What elements of ancient Stoic practice and tradition could (or should) be updated to reflect modern thought in the sciences, Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:46:29 GMT Dave Kelly http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27583 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27583 Hi Michel, If there are good arguments for neo-stoic views, especially those that argue against views held by Stoics who are not neo-stoics, this is the place Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:10:43 GMT Dave Kelly http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27582 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27582 A favorite saying from Marcus Aurelius (_Med._, IV.3): The universe is change; life is judgment. "This then remains: Remember to retire into this little Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:02:07 GMT Michel Daw http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27581 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoics/message/27581 Hey Dave: I was going to post some long reply as to how little we actually have to work on. But I found that I did not want to start an argument, nor seem to