sw-l at Yahoo! Groups http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/ SignWriting Re: [sw-l] Summary of writing steps for SignWriting Sun, 09 Oct 2005 08:53:18 GMT Stuart Thiessen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15899 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15899 Not at all. I was just wondering about Charles' process where he looks at iconicity to get the gestalt of the sign. I myself don't tend to look for the icon [sw-l] tongue-between-teeth in ASL Sun, 09 Oct 2005 03:37:12 GMT Kimberley A. Shaw http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15898 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15898 Hello everybody: I need help in SignWriting an expression which is very typical for ASL ... but for which I am not finding a symbol in Signmaker. Namely, that Re: [sw-l] LESSONS in Writing Full Body Movement Sun, 09 Oct 2005 02:05:21 GMT Valerie Sutton http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15897 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15897 SignWriting List October 8, 2005 For those interested in writing Full Body movement, you may be interested in this web page: [sw-l] RE: Gestalt - signs all at once. Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:07:39 GMT Charles Butler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15896 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15896 No, but an adult looking at the sign sometimes can "get it" when he or she is learning the sign "milk" by thinking of an udder, which only works if he or she Re: [sw-l] Summary of writing steps for SignWriting Sat, 08 Oct 2005 22:07:27 GMT Ingvild Roald http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15895 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15895 Stuart and all, you don't really mean that a sign has to be iconic for the whole to give meaning? I doubt if a child is thinking of the process of milking a [sw-l] LESSONS in IMWA Symbols Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:35:45 GMT Valerie Sutton http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15894 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15894 SignWriting List October 8, 2005 Dear SW Listers: Another new Lessons web site is under development: Lessons in IMWA Symbols Re: [sw-l] Summary of writing steps for SignWriting Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:23:37 GMT Charles Butler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15893 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15893 C-E are reiteration until everything is there. I recommend iconicity as a gestalt becauase sometimes the whole makes it easier to divide out the parts. Re: [sw-l] Summary of writing steps for SignWriting Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:24:38 GMT Stuart Thiessen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15892 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15892 Ok, I see what you are meaning here. A few questions ... 1) At what point in your process do you consider non-manual markers ... B or E? 2) What about Re: [sw-l] Summary of writing steps for SignWriting Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:33:39 GMT Charles Butler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15891 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15891 I understand, my ordering of the dictionary was based on my observation. A) Start with the whole meaning? B) Then, is there my hand, or with the part of the Re: [sw-l] Summary of writing steps for SignWriting Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:47:50 GMT Stuart Thiessen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15890 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15890 Thanks, Charles! This is a good description of an ordering sequence. But what I am looking for is more of a description of how to "process" a sign for writing [sw-l] LESSONS in Writing Full Body Movement Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:42:30 GMT Valerie Sutton http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15889 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15889 SignWriting List October 8, 2005 Dear SignWriting List Members: A new series of lessons is starting on the web: LESSONS in Writing Full Body Movement Re: [sw-l] Summary of writing steps for SignWriting Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:05:16 GMT Charles Butler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15888 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15888 Logic of the Order The author, using the teaching sequence in Valerie Sutton?s Lessons in SignWriting [1] (see also, Re: [sw-l] Summary of writing steps for SignWriting Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:55:38 GMT Stuart Thiessen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15887 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15887 Thanks! I will check that out! Stuart Re: [sw-l] Summary of writing steps for SignWriting Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:53:27 GMT Stuart Thiessen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15886 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15886 See comments below ... Thanks, Stuart ... I tend to group facial expressions, body shifts, etc. into a category that I call "non-manual markers." When we get Re: [sw-l] Summary of writing steps for SignWriting Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:42:19 GMT Stuart Thiessen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15885 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/message/15885 Certainly, it does act as a classifier. I don't have the article in front of me. But, I believe the article said that only Swedish Sign Language has "true"