http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ A discussion list for fans of Ursula K. Le Guin, author of The Left Hand of Darkness, A Wizard of Earthsea, and many more. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:24:02 GMT laurenraine@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1792 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1792 Leguin is very far from naive, which is what makes her so magnificent a "world creator". Her father was the the famous Berekely anthropologist Kroeber (I used Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:53:30 GMT robmcclintock74 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1791 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1791 Hi there; I'm obviously new to this forum and I'm really glad to have found a place where LeGuin fans can discuss her work; I don't know anyone like that in my Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:59:07 GMT David Bratman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1790 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1790 You could look at some SF through the historical fiction lens if you wanted to, and you might even learn a few things thereby. But that has nothing to do with Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:10:23 GMT judyldubois@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1789 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1789 Grandmother Spider is, like Coyote, a stock character in Navajo mythology. She protects them and taught them how to weave. When Navajo homemakers find a Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:05:08 GMT Margaret Zupancic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1788 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1788 Couldn¹t one think of at least some science fiction as historical fiction set in the future rather than the past? For example KSR¹s Mars trilogy or (more to Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:41:44 GMT David Bratman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1787 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1787 It's evident to me that being about "other worlds than this" is not why KSR considers science fiction to be worthy of this kind of honor. (He says nothing Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:46:34 GMT John Cowan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1786 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1786 ... Very interesting indeed. Though I find it unfortunate that KSR felt the need to beat up on historical fiction, which is a very close cousin of fantasy and Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:28:51 GMT Victoria http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1785 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1785 Thought you all might be interested in this article in the Guardian, about Kim Stanley Robinson's disgust with the Booker Prize selection process, and judges' Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:16:56 GMT Hannah Robins http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1784 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1784 thanks Janice, I remember now seeing this when you did it but had forgotten it was there, one of the things about getting older see it goes right up to 2002, Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:42:35 GMT Janice E. Dawley http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1783 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1783 ... Hi Hannah -- Many moons ago, I created a database on the Yahoo Groups page for the Ekumen that lists all the stories Le Guin has published, including Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:23:18 GMT laurenraine@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1782 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1782 My art project for several years has centered around Grandmother Spider Woman, and what UKL did with that myth is fabulous.? Grandmother Spider is kind of the Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:21:20 GMT laurenraine@... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1781 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1781 Hi again.............she's at the very ending of Buffalo Gal Won't You Come Out - the Grandmother? our young heroine goes to see just before she returns to her Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:34:13 GMT Hannah Robins http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1780 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1780 ok maybe I didn't remember Buffalo Gals as well as I thought I did have reread the story now, and rediscovered Grandmother Spider Woman. realised that whilst I Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:32:54 GMT Hannah Robins http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1779 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1779 Well I got my copy down from the shelf and looked through the content. And nary a spider grandmother to be seen. It goes - to write nerdy comlete list: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:46:09 GMT laurenpillsbury http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1778 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/message/1778 Does anyone remember the weaver "Grandmother Spider Woman" in BUFFALO GALS AND OTHER ANIMAL PRESCENCES? I read this wonderful collection of stories and poetry