http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/ the Thomas Szasz discussion group Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:15:26 GMT sangchenyeshe http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1990 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1990 ... You are correct that the cases of mutilation discussed by Williams weren't committed by psychiatrists, but, in most cases, by a "traditional practitioner." Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:32:05 GMT René Talbot http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1989 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1989 ... So we agree on the key question but rather have some disagreements on ideological grounds. rEne Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:32:50 GMT mirah@... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1988 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1988 Hi René, I have some problems with your definition of illness, because a. changes in body tissue cannot always be identified (think of things like fatigue, Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:40:51 GMT Ren? Talbot http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1987 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1987 Dear Michel and the other readers of this list, ... As you mention my papers, I would like to refer other readers to these of my texts in English: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:31:40 GMT michel.latulippe http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1986 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1986 I look at the web site suggested by Hagai www.iaapa.org.il and I read some parts of Ren? Talbot papers. He recalls having said at the US custom that he never Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:48:06 GMT Hagai Aviel http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1985 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1985 every thing has its own right time sometime it is useful to conduct a learned discussion on the origins of psychiatry's methods, its origins and various Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:02:12 GMT mirah@... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1984 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1984 Hagai, I agree with your philosophy, but disagree with your politics. The vast majority of people aren't interested in psychiatry's futile search for the Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:09:42 GMT (no author) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1983 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1983 Mira writes: "we can accomplish little if anything by dredging up psychiatry's past sins. On the contrary, that will only elicit the response that it has Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:13:36 GMT mirah@... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1982 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1982 ... *None* of these operations are perpetrated by psychiatrists. Today's practicing psychiatrists have never even heard of such treatments. The history of Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:13:02 GMT mirah@... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1981 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1981 ... You're right, I overlooked the word policeman. Sorry. Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:33:28 GMT Martin Kessler http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1980 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1980 You can not arrest a police officer. You can only perform a citizen's arrest on another citizen as an emergency measure. Martin To: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:31:27 GMT sangchenyeshe http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1979 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1979 ... In 'Sex by Prescription' Dr. Szasz explains: 'The treatment of masturbation by means of surgery reached its apogee, as might be expected, when the patient Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:30:37 GMT mirah@... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1978 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1978 ... By law, it is always the judge. But the judge, considering himself incompetent to judge "medical" matters, bases his decision on the recommendation of the Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:31:53 GMT mirah@... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1977 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1977 ... Actually, there is such a thing as a citizen's arrest. But not a citizen's diagnosis. That would be practicing medicine without a license. Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:31:15 GMT D Waters http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1976 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thomasszaszdiscussion/message/1976 True. Regardless of whether labelling is harmful or not, Ellis asserted that labels do exist if a person consistently demonstrates a certain behavior. Pies